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		<title>By: Alverta Lombardo</title>
		<link>http://www.simplyzesty.com/advertising-and-marketing/sz-news/bloggers-pr-fit/#comment-11844</link>
		<dc:creator>Alverta Lombardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really informative post.Really thank you! Really Cool.</description>
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		<title>By: Darragh</title>
		<link>http://www.simplyzesty.com/advertising-and-marketing/sz-news/bloggers-pr-fit/#comment-967</link>
		<dc:creator>Darragh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa, agreed. There&#039;s learning to be had on both sides! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, agreed. There&#8217;s learning to be had on both sides! <img src='http://www.simplyzesty.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Carroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just read through a lot of these posts and to be honest, am really disappointed about the apparent &#039;them and us&#039; mentality that seems to be out there.  I don&#039;t often post comments but having read through the many comments in this debate, I just had to say something.

Bloggers, social media practitioners and PR professionals are not rival factions, in fact we should all be working together to create the best communications campaigns we can whether for a product, a cause or simply for entertainment.

Like any discipline within the communications mix, knowing your target audience, where they communicate, granting them the courtesy of acknowledging that they can actually think for themselves and engaging in good quality exchange is what makes for success.

As a marketing and &#039;traditional&#039; PR practitioner I am always surprised at how few PRs attend social media workshops but on the flipside, I would encourage social media practitioners to attend traditional PR worshops as well and neither are mutually exclusive.  I&#039;d see both schools as two departments within an organisation rather than rival companies.

Here&#039;s to collaboration and not conflict!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just read through a lot of these posts and to be honest, am really disappointed about the apparent &#8216;them and us&#8217; mentality that seems to be out there.  I don&#8217;t often post comments but having read through the many comments in this debate, I just had to say something.</p>
<p>Bloggers, social media practitioners and PR professionals are not rival factions, in fact we should all be working together to create the best communications campaigns we can whether for a product, a cause or simply for entertainment.</p>
<p>Like any discipline within the communications mix, knowing your target audience, where they communicate, granting them the courtesy of acknowledging that they can actually think for themselves and engaging in good quality exchange is what makes for success.</p>
<p>As a marketing and &#8216;traditional&#8217; PR practitioner I am always surprised at how few PRs attend social media workshops but on the flipside, I would encourage social media practitioners to attend traditional PR worshops as well and neither are mutually exclusive.  I&#8217;d see both schools as two departments within an organisation rather than rival companies.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s to collaboration and not conflict!</p>
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		<title>By: We continue the discussion on PRs and Bloggers with a presentation and video</title>
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		<dc:creator>We continue the discussion on PRs and Bloggers with a presentation and video</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] thought that there was more than enough discussion last week on the Bloggers and PR debate but we just got had a couple of interesting things land in our inbox which relate to the story so [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Good Book of Badvocacy @ O&#8217;Conall Street</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Good Book of Badvocacy @ O&#8217;Conall Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 07:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week quite a discussion took place about the concept of advocacy in modern communications. It followed a talk I gave in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Some Events I'm Going to this Week &#124; Leo Fogarty .com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Events I'm Going to this Week &#124; Leo Fogarty .com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The first event I&#8217;ll be attending is the BTW (Blogger Twitter Whatever) event being organised by Jason Roe in the Clarion in Dublin on the 3rd Sept. There is capacity for 150 and at the time of writing this there are still a few places free. I think one of the trending topics of conversation will be the debate started by Niall Harbison of simplyzesty.com on whether bloggers and pr fit together. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The first event I&#8217;ll be attending is the BTW (Blogger Twitter Whatever) event being organised by Jason Roe in the Clarion in Dublin on the 3rd Sept. There is capacity for 150 and at the time of writing this there are still a few places free. I think one of the trending topics of conversation will be the debate started by Niall Harbison of simplyzesty.com on whether bloggers and pr fit together. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 15 Tips for PRs dealing with bloggers &#124; Contently Managed - Digital PR, Social Media, Traditional PR Solutions and Strategy</title>
		<link>http://www.simplyzesty.com/advertising-and-marketing/sz-news/bloggers-pr-fit/#comment-862</link>
		<dc:creator>15 Tips for PRs dealing with bloggers &#124; Contently Managed - Digital PR, Social Media, Traditional PR Solutions and Strategy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a spate of meetings from which it has been declared that PRs and bloggers can&#8217;t get on (see here and here), don&#8217;t understand each other and &#8216;oh noes the sky is falling&#8217;, to which [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a spate of meetings from which it has been declared that PRs and bloggers can&#8217;t get on (see here and here), don&#8217;t understand each other and &#8216;oh noes the sky is falling&#8217;, to which [...]</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-08-30 &#171; Sarah Hartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2009-08-30 &#171; Sarah Hartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Do Bloggers and PR folk really mix well together or will it never work? I think on the most part PR companies and marketers are scared shitless of bloggers as there have just been too many stories about the stray press release or the incorrect manner in which the blogger has been approached. I think this is a shame but I canâ€™t seeing it changing too much in the future. Sure people are starting to get bloggers a little more and understand not to spam them and how to talk to them properly but for the most part marketers and bloggers are 2 very different groups of people whoâ€™s interests are just too far apart to live happily ever after. (tags: bloggers blogging PR) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Do Bloggers and PR folk really mix well together or will it never work? I think on the most part PR companies and marketers are scared shitless of bloggers as there have just been too many stories about the stray press release or the incorrect manner in which the blogger has been approached. I think this is a shame but I canâ€™t seeing it changing too much in the future. Sure people are starting to get bloggers a little more and understand not to spam them and how to talk to them properly but for the most part marketers and bloggers are 2 very different groups of people whoâ€™s interests are just too far apart to live happily ever after. (tags: bloggers blogging PR) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nibbles &#171; Joseph Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nibbles &#171; Joseph Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The airing that ensued after the simply zesty summer camp has further proven the void that exists between social media innovators and traditional [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Orlaith Finnegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orlaith Finnegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, you&#039;ve summed that up very well indeed. That&#039;s the most mature and accurate assessment of the debate I&#039;ve read so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, you&#8217;ve summed that up very well indeed. That&#8217;s the most mature and accurate assessment of the debate I&#8217;ve read so far.</p>
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		<title>By: When will brands wake up? (Old skool PR is dead)</title>
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		<dc:creator>When will brands wake up? (Old skool PR is dead)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on this extensively before and will keep this post short but with all the handbags being swung here I thought it might be an idea to do a simple real world experiment to show why PR isn&#8217;t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on this extensively before and will keep this post short but with all the handbags being swung here I thought it might be an idea to do a simple real world experiment to show why PR isn&#8217;t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always happy to meet &amp; chat any time :

 I don&#039;t see why we should be pessimistic at all - there are problems at present but they&#039;re not insurmountable. I think it&#039;s a shame that Niall seems to think so, given what it is that Simply Zesty are trying to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always happy to meet &amp; chat any time :</p>
<p> I don&#8217;t see why we should be pessimistic at all &#8211; there are problems at present but they&#8217;re not insurmountable. I think it&#8217;s a shame that Niall seems to think so, given what it is that Simply Zesty are trying to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Conall McDevitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conall McDevitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dena

I appreciate your comments and would love to continue the conversation offline. The thing about the other day was that there was in fact quite a good debate during which I made many of the points you have and others did too. 

I am not as pessimistic as Niall about the PR - blogger relationship. I think ther is much to learn from each other and many opportunities for collaboration.

Conall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dena</p>
<p>I appreciate your comments and would love to continue the conversation offline. The thing about the other day was that there was in fact quite a good debate during which I made many of the points you have and others did too. </p>
<p>I am not as pessimistic as Niall about the PR &#8211; blogger relationship. I think ther is much to learn from each other and many opportunities for collaboration.</p>
<p>Conall</p>
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		<title>By: Dena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 08:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conall,

Also just wanted to say that I actually support PR interacting with consumers via social media. I also think it should be commended, rather than lambasted, but it does require a different approach and thinking to traditional media. People as a whole are very cynical about advertising. In any research study if you ask the question &quot;did this advertising have any effect on you?&quot; and the answer will invariably trend towards the &quot;no/not much&quot; answers - we don&#039;t like to feel as though we&#039;re being controlled/

This is compounded online and is, in my opinion, one reason that people get so infuriated when they see it happening there, where the nature of communications is much more open and transparent (or at least we perceive them to be). To my mind, this is where there&#039;s a real role for online PR to get it so right and actually do something great.

But it needs a new way of thinking which will take time, not only to train ourselves to think differently, but to explain to clients that they need to look for different things from it. 

Personally, I wish you the best of luck - you&#039;ve stuck your neck out by going for it and I hope it pays off. It&#039;s new to all of us in the industry, so we&#039;re all learning &amp; should remember that when critiquing others, no matter how much oner person &quot;gets it&quot; versus another - if we listen to each other we can all learn &amp; get better :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conall,</p>
<p>Also just wanted to say that I actually support PR interacting with consumers via social media. I also think it should be commended, rather than lambasted, but it does require a different approach and thinking to traditional media. People as a whole are very cynical about advertising. In any research study if you ask the question &#8220;did this advertising have any effect on you?&#8221; and the answer will invariably trend towards the &#8220;no/not much&#8221; answers &#8211; we don&#8217;t like to feel as though we&#8217;re being controlled/</p>
<p>This is compounded online and is, in my opinion, one reason that people get so infuriated when they see it happening there, where the nature of communications is much more open and transparent (or at least we perceive them to be). To my mind, this is where there&#8217;s a real role for online PR to get it so right and actually do something great.</p>
<p>But it needs a new way of thinking which will take time, not only to train ourselves to think differently, but to explain to clients that they need to look for different things from it. </p>
<p>Personally, I wish you the best of luck &#8211; you&#8217;ve stuck your neck out by going for it and I hope it pays off. It&#8217;s new to all of us in the industry, so we&#8217;re all learning &amp; should remember that when critiquing others, no matter how much oner person &#8220;gets it&#8221; versus another &#8211; if we listen to each other we can all learn &amp; get better <img src='http://www.simplyzesty.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 08:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Conall,

I&#039;m aware of that but this post related specifically to blogs &amp; bloggers, which is why I referred to them alone. The same thinking I&#039;m talking about applies to all social media platforms though. It&#039;s about engagement and interaction rather than dictating a message in return for a prescribed reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Conall,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m aware of that but this post related specifically to blogs &amp; bloggers, which is why I referred to them alone. The same thinking I&#8217;m talking about applies to all social media platforms though. It&#8217;s about engagement and interaction rather than dictating a message in return for a prescribed reaction.</p>
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